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Front entry door

Post by kraga » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:06 am

Hi guys,

Have a 2018 built house. My problem came this winter. My front entry main door which is like a french door held up by an astragal attached to the sidelight with bolts on top and bottom to secure both doors (main door is 32w x 80h and sidelight 14w x 80h) that also open inswing started leaking at the bottom and little bit on the top with no visible sign of light coming from outside. The doors are a little out of plumb but still at its tolerance for gaps. Already installed door corner seal but air is till leaking.

Already asked the door installer since it has 2yr warranty to take fix the problem for X amount of service calls but still cant fix the air leak from the top and bottom. Installer did was just replaced seal and boot from the astragal

I've already ask around from some door installers. Some say astragal doors are not ment for canadian weather and other say different.

Is there any way i can fix the air leak or my option(s) is limited to none if any, but to replace the whole door which would cost me big time.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Front entry door

Post by A. Spruce » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:43 am

It's the builder's problem if the house is still under its new construction warranty period, which is usually 1 year. I'd contact the door manufacturer for assistance, both with fixing the leak and with whether or not the door is suitable for your environment.

If you can't get anyone to fix or replace the door, then about all you can do is try to add more weather strip. If you're weatherstrip looks like this:
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Then pick up some caulking backer rod and install it into the fold of the weatherstrip, this will enlarge the weatherstrip a little bit and give it more pressure against the sealing surfaces. Speaking of sealing surfaces, check the doors for clean, true edges, also check the jamb that it is straight. If either of these have distortions, divots, or jaggedness to them, that can be the cause for leakage. Depending on what you find here, will dictate your next course of action.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by kraga » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:10 pm

Thanks for the fast reply. Have check the jamb and everything you said. Seems fine except that is out of plum but to its acceptable tolerance (hope I'm right here).

My weather stripping is the same but vinyl 1inch wide. How thick of a backer rod i need to buy? Also there us 2inch wide of this strip, might as well replace it with the 2inch plus the backer rod

I can test for leak by putting a hair dryer outside to simulate wind. If this fails, is there any other option i can do? or this kind of doors with astragal is just not ment for our weather but for esthetic only

Thanks again

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Re: Front entry door

Post by A. Spruce » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:53 pm

kraga wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:10 pm
Thanks for the fast reply. Have check the jamb and everything you said. Seems fine except that is out of plum but to its acceptable tolerance (hope I'm right here).
There is no "tolerance", per se, it's mostly what is aesthetically pleasing and what is required to make it seal properly. Seems like an obvious question, how did you check for plumb and level? Do you have a straight edge that will span the opening, or close to it? Use this to see if the head jamb is warped or tweaked, say from not shimming properly or overtightening fasteners, same for the jamb legs.
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:10 pm
My weather stripping is the same but vinyl 1inch wide. How thick of a backer rod i need to buy? Also there us 2inch wide of this strip, might as well replace it with the 2inch plus the backer rod
You don't want to distort the weatherstrip much, you're just trying to open it up a little and press tighter against the sealing surfaces. 3/8" backer will probably do the trick. You will tuck the backer into the fold of the weatherstrip.

I'm not following what you're saying about the 2" wide strip, can you clarify and/or post some pics of it?
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:10 pm
I can test for leak by putting a hair dryer outside to simulate wind. If this fails, is there any other option i can do? or this kind of doors with astragal is just not ment for our weather but for esthetic only
I've never heard of double doors with an astrugal having environmental issues, which is why I suggested contacting the door manufacturer for details, it's their product, they will know the details of what it's rated for.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by Shannon » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:56 pm

I know even a regular door is tough to get completely air tight right in the corners ,at least enough to keep out a cold winter draft. Usually the backer rod behind the wether strip will help alot, but also around here you can get these small little stick on fuzzy strips. they are about 1' wide and maybe 2" long. Stuck against the jamb in the very bottom corners they help close the gap between the door and frame when the door is closed. Not even sure what they re called. My local Hardware store has a bin of them. Some doors come with them but not most.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by Shannon » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:58 pm

Here is a picture of some on my back door.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by kraga » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:07 pm

I think the 2inch vinyl weather strip is actually just 1inch. Homedepot might have them advertised wrong at there website.

I usually use a level to determined if my doors are out of plum. Same thing with the jamb at both side and the top. Hope I'm doing this right way of checking my door. I'm open of course to any suggestion.

Will post pics of my door tomorrow and buy the rod and sticky stuff you guys mention.

It's weird cause the weather strip is already 1 inch wide and any little play from door being out should still be sealed but of course there is still draft coming in when the wind picks up a bit.

Was also planning to install a storm door but since both doors are inswing, nobody in my local hardware knows how i can install one. Since my door is 32 wide and sidelight is 14 wide with no post just the so called T astrugal. No post to hold the storm door. Unless you guys know of a way to or where i can buy one with this kind of door

Thanks.

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Re: Front entry door

Post by A. Spruce » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:46 pm

A level is the perfect tool to determine if things are plumb, level, or warped, as long as the level is the better part of the length you're trying to verify. As an example, a torpedo level would be useless, a 4' for the jambs would be perfect. If the header is under 4', then you need a 2' or 3' level or straight edge to find the lumps/valleys along the length.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by A. Spruce » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:49 pm

I have not seen a storm door for a double entry, or entry/side light combo such as you have, not to say that they don't exist. I would check out an actual door supplier, as opposed to the general big box. Door suppliers have catalogs full of such things and could probably special order something to suit your needs.

Storm doors that I am familiar with would swing outward, away from the front door, it isn't possible to have both the entry and the storm to swing in the same direction, for obvious reasons.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by Shannon » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:21 am

Ya I doubt you will find a storm door for that. If you do let us know.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by kraga » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:28 am

Hi,

Yes, asked around and there is no storm door that can be installed in my kind of door. Unless i change my door completely to ones that have post between the door and make the sidelight stationary.

Put the backer rod as mentioned and there is still air coming from the bottom even if its just mild breeze outside. Also, forgot to mention the my front door is facing north. Which makes even worst when the nw air picks up and slaming on my door.
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Re: Front entry door

Post by kraga » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:30 am

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Re: Front entry door

Post by A. Spruce » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:21 am

I see two problems here, first, the top corner of the door, the weatherstrip has a gap between the vertical and horizontal pieces, there shouldn't be. The felt pad will help, but it isn't going to stop air infiltration when there is a huge hole.
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At the bottom of the door there is another gap. The weather strip needs to be tight to the threshold and this area where the gap is should have some felt, rocks, gravel, small children, whatever it takes to close it up a bit. I'm guessing that the huge block screwed to the threshold outside the door is supposed to help combat this gap, but it would be better if it weren't there at all. You may need to change the door shoe or the rubber strip under the existing shoe.
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