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Basement receptacles types

Post by rao.manoj2004 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:07 pm

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Hi, Looking at Shannon's DIY videos and encouragement from wife .. I had under taken basement project :D ... Framing is done and now reading about electrical codes and getting ideas about what to do for wiring but not fully sure. I am from Ottawa, hence Ontario electrical code is applicable. I have attached screenshot of basement with layout and receptacle locations. Main confusion is about receptacles,wires and breaker types for different locations.
1) HALL: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, normal receptacle.
2) BEDROOM: 15amp AFCI breaker, 14/2 wire, normal receptacle.
3) BATHROOM: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, GFCI receptacle. Receptacle is 3 feet from sink.
4) KITCHEN: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, GFCI receptacle. Receptacle is 3 feet from sink.
4) KITCHEN: 20amp breaker, 12/2 wire, 20amp receptacle (with 'L' shape hole). Receptacle is on kitchen counter.
4) KITCHEN: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, normal receptacle. Receptacle on wall.


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Re: Basement receptacles types

Post by Aaron » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:02 am

You may need at least two 20A kitchen counter circuits, and each of those circuits may have one or two receptacles where one must be a GFCI type. Generally recommended to have a fridge on its own circuit, as well as a dishwasher and food disposer (which I think each can share).

Since your circuits contain receptacles, they must all be on AFCI breakers.

Nutzy will confirm.

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Post by rao.manoj2004 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:44 am

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Thanks Aaron, With hope that 2018 CEC code will not be implemented till next year, I am going with 2015 CEC codes. AFCI breaker is needed for all receptacles(Exceptions is receptacles in bathroom/kitchen and smoke detectors).

Kitchen: layout attached. 5 separate circuits for kitchen only is too much.
1) Stove: 40AMP wire + 40AMP non-AFCI breaker + 40AMP receptacle behind stove (dedicated)..
2) Microwave: 20AMP wire + 20AMP non-AFCI breaker + 20AMP GFCI receptacle on counter (dedicated)..
3) Fridge: 15AMP wire + 15AMP non-AFCI breaker + 15AMP receptacle on wall (dedicated).
4,5) Wall Receptacle: 15AMP wire + 15AMP non-AFCI breaker + 15AMP receptacle on wall (shared).
6) Hoodfan: 15AMP wire + 15AMP non-AFCI breaker + no receptacle (hard wired) (dedicated).

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Re: Basement receptacles types

Post by emtnut » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:53 am

rao.manoj2004 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:44 am

Thanks Aaron, With hope that 2018 CEC code will not be implemented till next year, I am going with 2015 CEC codes. AFCI breaker is needed for all receptacles(Exceptions is receptacles in bathroom/kitchen and smoke detectors).

Kitchen: layout attached. 5 separate circuits for kitchen only is too much.
1) Stove: 40AMP wire + 40AMP non-AFCI breaker + 40AMP receptacle behind stove (dedicated)..
2) Microwave: 20AMP wire + 20AMP non-AFCI breaker + 20AMP GFCI receptacle on counter (dedicated)..
3) Fridge: 15AMP wire + 15AMP non-AFCI breaker + 15AMP receptacle on wall (dedicated).
4,5) Wall Receptacle: 15AMP wire + 15AMP non-AFCI breaker + 15AMP receptacle on wall (shared).
6) Hoodfan: 15AMP wire + 15AMP non-AFCI breaker + no receptacle (hard wired) (dedicated).
Likely date for Ontario 2018 code would be around May 2019. As long as you take out your permit before in comes into force, you will still be inspected on 2015 code.
* Microwave needs to be on AFCI cct.
* You are required to have 2 separate circuits for the kitchen counter (GFCI)
* 4) and 5) both need to be AFCI
Fridge is exempt, and the hardwired exhaust fan as well.
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Post by rao.manoj2004 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:16 pm

Hi Emtnut, I saw your posts while searching for 2018 codes :D

KITCHEN
* Kitchen counter: I only have very small basement kitchen (8 feet wide) with 2 counter receptacles. You mean to say that these two receptacles must be on separate circuit (GFCI).
* Can these two counter GFCI receptacle be on AFCI breaker.
* Since my wall receptacle will be AFCI, can I plug any portable microwave in it instead of having a dedicated circuit for microwave?
* Fridge must be on non-AFCI breaker and must have a dedicated circuit ...correct.
* Hoonfan: must be on non-AFCI breaker and must have a dedicated circuit ...correct.

BATHROOM: Only one receptacle (GFCI) near sink.
* Does it need to be on dedicated circuit?
* Does it need to be on non-AFCI breaker?

SMOKE DETECTOR:
* On lighting circuit and using non-AFCI breaker. This is as per code ...correct

Thanks in advance. :)

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Post by emtnut » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:46 pm

rao.manoj2004 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:16 pm
Hi Emtnut, I saw your posts while searching for 2018 codes :D
I'm working on becoming more famous than Shannon and Sprucy :mrgreen:

rao.manoj2004 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:16 pm
KITCHEN
* Kitchen counter: I only have very small basement kitchen (8 feet wide) with 2 counter receptacles. You mean to say that these two receptacles must be on separate circuit (GFCI).
* Can these two counter GFCI receptacle be on AFCI breaker.
Yes, sorry ! Kitchens need minimum 2 separate circuits.
You can feed them from an AFCI breaker, but not req'd. Given the cost of those breakers, I certainly wouldn't !!

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Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:16 pm
* Since my wall receptacle will be AFCI, can I plug any portable microwave in it instead of having a dedicated circuit for microwave?
For a portable, yes.

rao.manoj2004 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:16 pm
* Fridge must be on non-AFCI breaker and must have a dedicated circuit ...correct.
* Hoonfan: must be on non-AFCI breaker and must have a dedicated circuit ...correct.
Yes for the fridge
Range fan need not be dedicated (unless it's a micro/range fan)
rao.manoj2004 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:16 pm
BATHROOM: Only one receptacle (GFCI) near sink.
* Does it need to be on dedicated circuit?
* Does it need to be on non-AFCI breaker?

SMOKE DETECTOR:
* On lighting circuit and using non-AFCI breaker. This is as per code ...correct
Bathroom GFCI does not need to be dedicated
It doesn't require AFCI, but if it is feeding anything else it would require it.

Smokes on lighting and non-afci is right.
You also require strobes, and CO detector.

I would also check with your inspector, they usually want the smoke alarm interconnected with the other smokes in the house.
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Post by rao.manoj2004 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:53 pm

Thanks Emtnut ... "Strobes, and CO detector requirement" is new to me as my 4 year old home do not have it (built in oct 2014). Just smoke detectors everywhere. I can replace smoke detectors with single smoke/CO detector. Is strobe mandatory requirement for basement or there is workaround.

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Post by emtnut » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:25 pm

Smokes/strobes/CO comes under building code. It was updated in 2015
See pic .. The smoke doesn't have to be integral to the visual, but BRK is showing they have it all in one unit.
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Post by emtnut » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:27 pm

rao.manoj2004 wrote:
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1) HALL: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, normal receptacle.
2) BEDROOM: 15amp AFCI breaker, 14/2 wire, normal receptacle.
3) BATHROOM: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, GFCI receptacle. Receptacle is 3 feet from sink.
4) KITCHEN: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, GFCI receptacle. Receptacle is 3 feet from sink.
4) KITCHEN: 20amp breaker, 12/2 wire, 20amp receptacle (with 'L' shape hole). Receptacle is on kitchen counter.
4) KITCHEN: 15amp breaker, 14/2 wire, normal receptacle. Receptacle on wall.
Also, from your pic, the Hall and bedroom would need more receptacles.
Receptacles need to be at max 12' from each other, with that measurement not crossing a doorway.
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Re: Basement receptacles types

Post by Aaron » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:29 pm

Wow, that's interesting. I have never seen residential strobe smoke detectors here in the US. Just in commercial buildings.

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Post by emtnut » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:48 pm

Aaron wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:29 pm
Wow, that's interesting. I have never seen residential strobe smoke detectors here in the US. Just in commercial buildings.
Yep, and in retirement homes.

I think partly brought in for the hearing impaired, but I guess some young 'un with the headphones on would apply too.

I've never installed one, but that code is relatively new
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