[AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

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[AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by limehful » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:26 pm

Hi there,

I was planning on installing recessed lighting in my new basement using 6" recessed cans but I noticed that I don't necessarily have that much space in the areas I wanted to add the lights. I'm able to fit the cans in but there's not much space between the piping does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do? Worst case I can move the lights to some areas that do have space but the lights wouldn't be in the center of the rooms anymore (don't know how big of a deal this is). Also for that one image with a wood plank I don't know what it's for but it seems to be fastened to the top of some of the basement beams is there any way to add a can between this?

Thanks!
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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by Aaron » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:39 pm

I suggest using slim LED lights that flush-mount into a round drywall hole. You mount the splice box and driver unit into the ceiling near the hole and the lights use clips to grab onto the ceiling drywall from behind. The lights are supplied low voltage.

Those are pretty much what are being installed in new homes these days in all the joist bays, whether there are obstructions or not.

Those huge deep pot lights are really a thing of the past.

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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by Shannon » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:43 am

Yup I agree, return those cans and purchase slims. Most slims you need about 1" of clearance for the driver box. Im not even sure they have to be mounted ? Around here most guys just slip them up into hole and lay them on ceiling.
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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by limehful » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:05 am

Thanks both of you! I will return these and get slims they save me a lot of money too.
Anything I should be looking for in slims spec wise?

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Post by Aaron » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:59 pm

If you've never purchased LED lights before, or didn't pay much attention what you bought, the specs to be aware of are lumens and color temp. The lumens are the units of brightness the lights put out, and the color temp is the color of the light.

LED lighting has a reputation of being pretty harshly white, and the early bulbs were so--you had no choice. Those bulbs typically have a color temperature between 4000k and 6000k. They're fine, and even desirable, in a utility room or garage. But in a living space I prefer a much warmer 2000-2700k light. This color is more like traditional incandescent lights.

As far as lumens go, 600 lumens is equivalent to a 40 watt incandescent. 1125 lumens for a 75W, and 1500 lumens for a 100W bulb. Watts are energy consumed, and have always been falsely associated with brightness of old incandescent bulbs. Lumens are the correct unit of brightness, and what we should have been using all along.

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Post by Shannon » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:27 am

Im a little different I prefer the 3000-4000 K light . I suggestion look at a display that has different ones you can turn on and off to see the difference. I also have recently been alerted to a problem with some that Rona and maybe other places sell. These lights actually had a switch that you could choose between 3 K level settings during install. Apparently they start to fail within a year or so. I had a family member use them and they have replaced most of them already in about two years time.

I also find I install them a little closer together in a basement setting where natural light is limited (4' to 5' apart) I then use a dimmer switch so you can adjust them to the light level you want as needed. Most slims are dimmable now but it s something to watch for when buying as well as the dimmer being compatible with LEDS
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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by Aaron » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:38 pm

The most reliable LED bulbs seem to be the ones with the least features or no features, including non-dimmability. I have encountered some bulbs that have failed after a year or so, which is pretty disgusting considering that these bulbs cost like 4 times the price of an incandescent and fail about the same time after all the early propaganda of them supposed to be "lasting years and years".

But I do have a lot more confidence in the slim LED discs. I think the electronic driver components being separated from the LEDs themselves and being housed in a large box make for a more durable product than screw-in LED bulbs.

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Post by emtnut » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:51 pm

I usually go with known brands for LED lighting. For recessed, Lotus is quite good (I think thats a Canuck brand). Also Lithonia.

Halo is considered one of the top of the line.
Any of those brands you shouldn't have longevity or dimming issues.

Agree with going overboard on the Lumens, and using dimmers ... win win

As for color temp, It's like asking someone what color you should paint a wall :mrgreen:
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Post by Aaron » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:10 pm

Yeah with color temp I think people mistakenly believe they like the cold bright LED light because it's novel and not something we had with incandescent or even fluorescent.

It's an annoying fad in my opinion, I think people will come to their senses eventually and go back to the nice warm light that makes a home a home and not a warehouse.

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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by limehful » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:33 pm

Thanks everyone for the responses.
I ended up getting some HALO wafer lights and they are absolutely awesome.

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Post by Shannon » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:26 pm

I personally don't even know why any retailers keep the old pot light can style around.
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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by emtnut » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:25 pm

limehful wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:33 pm
Thanks everyone for the responses.
I ended up getting some HALO wafer lights and they are absolutely awesome.
HALO is da cats azz :mrgreen:

If you ever redecorate, they have a really good assortment of trims available too.

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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by Aaron » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:18 am

I think that Halo brand even exists down here in the states. You guys up north do tend to sometimes have some fancy stuff we don't get here. That Lotus line is nowhere to be found.

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Post by emtnut » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:54 am

Aaron wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:18 am
I think that Halo brand even exists down here in the states. You guys up north do tend to sometimes have some fancy stuff we don't get here. That Lotus line is nowhere to be found.
Yeah, I was pretty sure Lotus is a Canuck brand.

Halo is Cooper Industries (Owned by Eaton). They're in pretty much every supply house. They are a bit more pricey, so not sure how many big box stores carry them.
Very trusted brand in the industry IMO.
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Re: [AB, CAN] Recessed Lighting Space

Post by Aaron » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:20 pm

Got a shopping list ready of stuff I need to bring back with me when I zip up to Thunder Bay in six hours. Lol

Going to Haito for breakfast. Lol

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